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Star Trek Voyager's Lt. Tom Paris on board his trans-warp shuttle.
He was moving so fast he occupied all space at once.

Stupid? Sure. But as technically factual as any other speedsters' stats. :P

As far as Wally West, I was recently at a comic con where Francis Manapul said in a panel discussion that he has come up with several ways he has wanted to bring Wally into the Flash story and has had editorial reject them all and flat out tell him that Wally can't be used for now.
He didn't elaborate on why... but he did hint that Elongated Man could be returning, so I was happy enough.

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It's a shame about Wally, but sooner or later he'll return...even if it's some kind of bastardized rendition of him. I personally care quite a lot for Wally West, but the higher echelon is still a bit messed up with doing things. They should have thought this whole thing through just a bit more.

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AnathemaX wrote:
Star Trek Voyager's Lt. Tom Paris on board his trans-warp shuttle.
He was moving so fast he occupied all space at once.

Stupid? Sure. But as technically factual as any other speedsters' stats. :P

As far as Wally West, I was recently at a comic con where Francis Manapul said in a panel discussion that he has come up with several ways he has wanted to bring Wally into the Flash story and has had editorial reject them all and flat out tell him that Wally can't be used for now.
He didn't elaborate on why... but he did hint that Elongated Man could be returning, so I was happy enough.


I don't even watch that show but saw that epsiode as a child. Didn't he accelerate of degenerate in evolutionary terms though. Pretty high cost?


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AnathemaX wrote:
Star Trek Voyager's Lt. Tom Paris on board his trans-warp shuttle.
He was moving so fast he occupied all space at once.



Oh you goddamn nerd. I feel so bad for exactly knowing what you are talking about.


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Takes one to know one.

But I win since I have no shame for admitting it.
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And im agreeing with Anathemax . Every halfway through omnipotent being is in the "fastest" group.

But allways remember: Star Trek did it first.


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If you're everywhere at once, are you really moving? :shrug:

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omnipresence ≠ superspeed

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theadirondackcoyote wrote:
If you're everywhere at once, are you really moving? :shrug:


I would reason that if you get there by way of accelerated propulsion... then yes.
If you are there because you are there... no.

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But how can you get anywhere if you're already there?

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For everyone's amusement here's a conversation I had about this with a friend:


theadirondackcoyote: (9:04:17 PM) if you're everywhere at once, are you really moving?
Friend: (9:04:32 PM) nope
theadirondackcoyote: (9:04:44 PM) ^_^
Friend: (9:05:00 PM) you could, however, be magic
theadirondackcoyote: (9:05:00 PM) that's my argument
theadirondackcoyote: (9:06:50 PM) i was having a super speed conversation when someone mentioned that Star Trek's ship could occupy all of space at one time and therefore is the winner
theadirondackcoyote: (9:07:07 PM) my argument was that if you're everywhere at once you can't be moving
Friend: (9:07:50 PM) You're referring to a ship moving at warp 10
theadirondackcoyote: (9:07:59 PM) i have no idea what that means
Friend: (9:08:16 PM) "warp" is star trek's method of faster than light travel
theadirondackcoyote: (9:08:24 PM) uh-huh
Friend: (9:08:29 PM) how fast you are going is your "warp factor"
theadirondackcoyote: (9:08:44 PM) well, if you're everywhere at once than you are not moving really
Friend: (9:08:58 PM) from what I remember warp 10 was considered to be impossible, because if you are going at that speed you occupy every location in the universe at once
theadirondackcoyote: (9:09:05 PM) ahah
Friend: (9:09:36 PM) Anyway, if you are simultaneously everywhere, then you can't actually be moving since there'd be nowhere you can actually go
Friend: (9:09:52 PM) no possible change in location = no possible movement
theadirondackcoyote: (9:09:58 PM) exactly
Friend: (9:10:08 PM) Now, the whole idea of being everywhere at once is pretty stupid anyway, can't we just content ourselves with calling it "super duper fast"?
Friend: (9:11:48 PM) :p
theadirondackcoyote: (9:11:55 PM) nope
theadirondackcoyote: (9:11:58 PM) so who's the fastest?
Friend: (9:12:26 PM) what's the other thing?
theadirondackcoyote: (9:12:34 PM) other thing?
Friend: (9:12:41 PM) In the race
theadirondackcoyote: (9:13:16 PM) anything
theadirondackcoyote: (9:13:36 PM) what's the fastest hero/villian/ANYTHING ever invented
Friend: (9:13:38 PM) Well, if the thing that is everywhere at once isn't technically moving
theadirondackcoyote: (9:13:40 PM) or rather, born
Friend: (9:13:47 PM) than anything with nonzero velocity wins
theadirondackcoyote: (9:13:58 PM) and that is?
Friend: (9:14:05 PM) unless you're seeing how fast they can get to a specific point
Friend: (9:14:21 PM) in which case the everywhere guy wins (since he's everywhere, including where he's going)
theadirondackcoyote: (9:15:05 PM) well…no it's who moves the fastest
Friend: (9:15:29 PM) ok, then its anything with nonzero velocity
Friend: (9:15:36 PM) which could be a snail for all I care
theadirondackcoyote: (9:15:47 PM) -___- and do you have any idea who that is?
Friend: (9:16:05 PM) !?!? I don't understand the question
Friend: (9:16:11 PM) the whole point is that it could be anyone
Friend: (9:16:21 PM) if its one guy vs guy who is everywhere at once
Friend: (9:16:30 PM) than the [one guy] wins, whoever that one guy is
Friend: (9:16:35 PM) <confused>
theadirondackcoyote: (9:16:38 PM) dude. We're talking comics.
theadirondackcoyote: (9:16:43 PM) héros, vilains, imagined peoples
theadirondackcoyote: (9:16:50 PM) who was the fastest one ever penned into existance?!
Friend: (9:17:12 PM) idk, I don't know comics. I have a vague memory saying it was either the flash or superman
theadirondackcoyote: (9:17:32 PM) *face-palm*thank you, quite kindly for your contribution.
Friend: (9:17:42 PM) <confused :<>

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Well your friend makes some logical(?) points...
(in as much as "logic" can be applied to a debate hinging on fantasy science)
but to rephrase mine:
If you just ARE in all places at once, then I would agree that he is correct to say that is a static state of being...
but I would add that "motion" in such a state becomes "relative."
That is to say, if you are in all places and all places are in constant motion...

However, if your means of being in all places at once requires that you maintain the propulsion that got you there, then you would be constantly moving at infinite speeds...until you slow down enough to be only in "one" place.
The sense of "being in all places" becomes likewise "relative," but in a different way.

"How can you get anywhere if you're already there," you ask?
Easy. Stop moving.
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but by already being there you've stopped moving so you can't get anywhere else you've already been and therefore no motion has been made - so you can't be going 'fast" :shrug:

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